I totally disagree with you on the borders room . Yes it is perhaps a liberal leaning room but they do allow debate with conservative often. the kickback cafe i find to be a much of miserable chatters who will ban you unless you agree with them 100 percent of the time. EVen the room topic usually follow the thinking you agree with us 100 percent of the time or you will be banned. no jedi you have the room mixed up between the borders room and the kickback cafe.